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Smalltalk hosting ...
by Geert Claes April 2, 2011

April 2, 2011

Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS. Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...
by Юрий Мироненко March 30, 2011

March 30, 2011

> do you have any more info on smallPOS? > Giorgio Ferraris > Excellent > do you have a web presence? > Stef Well, only very basic presence are here: http://code.google.com/p/smalltalkpos/ for issue tracker and for static files, needed for work http://squeaksource.com/SmallPOS.html for code itself http://rsug.ru/rsugProjects/SmallPOS/ - page about my project at Russian Smalltalk Users Group. But it on russian, as you may expect. Actually, it's now something to support my development, not to promote/demonstrate the system. Wiki on squeaksource and one of subpages have some installation/deployment instruction, but they are not very usefull for others - I just collect this information to not forget it. Some time ago there was a live demo on RSUG, but now it is VERY outdated, actual system is absolutely different. Well, I working on this, smallpos.ru domen was registered. I started to write documentation. And I feel I need some demo application, but I have no idea for "cool" one. It should be something with easy-to-understand business process, it should be possible to demonstrate cool features and deep customizing...and, contrary, it should be possible to start it from very basic CRUD functionality. If you have an idea for such a demo - please tell me :) Giorgio, now - some brief description, if it's something you asking for.

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Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...
by Юрий Мироненко March 28, 2011

March 28, 2011

Well, just to avoid talking-and-not-doing feeling... I made/making SmallPOS framework, Pharo\Seaside\GLORP\Magritte-based. Initially oriented on small businesses with not-standart business processes, it provides possibility for really fast prototyping...and, for example, connecting hardware (like label printers and barcode scanners) on client side. Now I want to see how opensource development model may work. So, I'll do my best to present it on ESUG conference...if I'll successed with visa this year. Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:09:20 +0200 письмо от Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Thanks sean. > > We are always trying to improve ourselves and we accept and value criticism. > Now there are moments where I would like to see more doing than talking. > > Stef > > > Steven and Andrew, > > > > Thank you for taking the time to point out where things can be improved. > > > > I propose that all criticism - right, wrong, good, bad, whatever - be > > answered in the same way: "Thank you." > > > > I personally am grateful for the HUGE amount of work done by the ESUG, > > Squeak & Pharo teams. And, I'm sure it can be demoralizing to be one of the > > people putting in all that effort (probably for free) and hear criticism. > > > > That having been said, I cringe every time criticism is met with resistance, > > frustration, or defensiveness. Criticism is solid gold - all of it. It is a > > wake-up call to how our community is perceived from the outside. The truth > > doesn't matter! It's all about perception. I think it would be far more > > valuable to pull in as much criticism as possible than to explain it away > > point by point. Let's give critics water and sunlight to flourish on our > > mailing lists and smack us awake, rather than throw up their hands and move > > silently to a different language/community. > > > > Of course, after the "thank you", relevant info like "such and such has been > > fixed" or "an engineer would really help move things along here" would be > > great, resting on a foundation of acknowledgement and gratitude that someone > > took the time to reach out instead of disappearing or gossiping, providing a > > service to the community. > > > > Sean > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3407992.html > > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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Please display the poster for ESUG 2011 wherever developers gather
by Niall Ross March 23, 2011

March 23, 2011

The poster for the ESUG 2011 conference is available in hi-res JPEG and PDF at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7726739/ESUG_Promo.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7726739/ESUG_Promo.pdf It names some of Smalltalk's technical and commercial achievements. It will (I hope) be a draw for Smalltalkers and also for some Rubyists (it mentions MagLev), for general dynamic language people, and for some general developers interested in something with this history of achievement, past and present (it also notes there will be intro workshops and tutorials for interested non-Smalltalkers). Please display where you can in companies, universities, user groups, etc. - wherever developers congregate. Thanks Niall Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...
by Marcus Denker March 22, 2011

March 22, 2011

On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Steven Kelly wrote: > It's great that people are willing to talk about this, and some are doing things too. Admit it though: most of this discussion is programmers talking about marketing, which is as useful as marketers talking about programming. I'm in my 20th year of Smalltalk, so I've seen this a fair few times. My 2c: I'm fairly certain that the only way Smalltalk could achieve major success is by dying and being reborn with a new name. > > If anyone has a minute (and access rights!), the ESUG pages could do with some love: > 1) they crashed yesterday, and have often slowed to a crawl Yes, and we restarted it within the fasted possible time. > 2) there's a top-level menu "Robotics" that leads to a page saying "A place for Jordi to write, ok!" This was added at around 14h today because we want to add a new page with information. > 3) The search box does nothing yes, this should be fixed. I did not yet find the energy for that. > 4) On IE8, there are Javascript errors. All pages have "Ajax is not defined", and many have some "idX is not defined" errors (for various X) > We should fix that... but then, you are the first to notice. > Believe it or not, those are the kinds of things that register with outsiders when they check out Smalltalk, in particular if they're considering using it to build things on the web. Of course I understand this is all done as volunteer work, and I appreciate the effort people have put into it. I'm just pointing out the facts and providing a bug report. > I personally think that the website is already far better then it used to be. And even though it might not be apparent, it was a lot of work. Especially moving all the old conferences into the Pier wiki... lots of work. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

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IWST @ ESUG 2011 call for papers
by Alain Plantec March 21, 2011

March 21, 2011

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ IWST @ ESUG 2011 International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies August 23th, 2011 Edinburgh, Scotland http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011/International-Workshop-on-Smalltalk-Te… CALL FOR PAPERS SUBMISSION DEADLINE : June 17, 2011 Authors of the best accepted papers will be invited to submit extended versions of their papers for publication in a special issue of 'Software: Practice and Experience' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ESUG 2011 Smalltalk joint event IMPORTANT DATES * Submission deadline: June 17, 2011 * Notification deadline: July 15, 2011 GOALS AND SCOPE We are proud to invite submisssions to the International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies which is held as part of the ESUG 2011 joint event at Edinburgh. The goals of the workshop is to create a forum around advances or experience in Smalltalk and to trigger discussions and exchanges of ideas. Participants are invited to submit short and not-so short research articles. We will not enforce any length restriction. However we expect papers of two kinds: * Short position papers describing emerging ideas. * Long research papers with deeper description of experiments and of research results. TOPICS We welcome contributions on all aspects, theoretical as well as practical, of Smalltalk related topics such as: * Aspect-oriented programming, * Meta-programming and Meta-modeling, * Frameworks, * Interaction with other languages, * Implementation, new dialects or languages implemented in Smalltalk, * Tools, * Design patterns, * Experience reports PUBLICATION Pending ACM approval for Digital Library. Both submissions and final papers must be prepared using the ACM SIGPLAN 10 point format. Templates for Word and LaTeX are available at http://www.acm.org/sigs/sigplan/authorInformation.htm; this site also contains links to useful informations on how to write effective submissions. PROGRAM CHAIRS: * Loïc Lagadec (Labsticc, University of Brest, France) * Alain Plantec (Lisyc, University of Brest, France) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: * Gabriela Arevalo * Marcus Denker * Johan Fabry * Lukas Renggli * Hernan Wilkinson * Damien Cassou * Alexandre Bergel * Jordi Delgado * Johan Brichau

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Smalltalk Solutions Las Vegas 2011 - The Business Conference is over
by Georg Heeg March 18, 2011

March 18, 2011

All, Smalltalk Solutions 2011 is over. It has been a great conference. The mood among Smalltalkers was great. There is really interesting new stuff going on in various places. For those who attended and want to recap what they had heard, and for those who could not make it we are currently preparing slides and videos to become available on our web site www.stic.st. Currently we are collecting comments about * What worked? * What did not work? * What do you want to see at next conference? * Location requests * Time of the year Please send your comments to stic_management(a)stic.st, preferably within the next two weeks. Thanks to all who made this conference a great success: the sponsors Cincom, Instantiations, GemStone, and Precision, the speakers, and all the attendees! Georg Heeg STIC - Smalltalk Industry Council Executive Director Phone +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712

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Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...
by Reza Razavi March 17, 2011

March 17, 2011

At 12:16 17/03/2011, Ralph Johnson wrote: >Marketing is crucial, and a weakness in the Smalltalk. Exact! And, in my experience, even when you have a unique and at least in theory widely applicable Smalltalk-based solution, its marketing implies often facing the lack of suitable Smalltalk marketing strategies in general, which overall makes your task really hard. Regards Reza Razavi http://adaptiveobjectmodel.com/blog/ http://www.afacms.com/blog/pontoon-app/

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We are preparing to this year Google Summer of Code (GSoC)
by Janko Mivšek March 11, 2011

March 11, 2011

Dear Smalltalkers, I'd like to inform you that we are preparing an application to this year Smalltalk Google Summer of Code under ESUG umbrella, as last year. If accepted, Google will pay few stipendiums to students on our Smalltalk projects. Please start thinking about ideas what projects would be nice to have. Also start looking around for students. How to approach the universitites near by you, do you know who to contact there, etc. To see last year ideas and accepted/done projects, visit last year http://gsoc2010.esug.org. More on our already open special Smalltalk GSoC 2011 website: http://gsoc2011.esug.org I'm specially inviting mentors of all past GSoCs to rejoin the mentors mailing list, where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX
by Mariano Martinez Peck March 6, 2011

March 6, 2011

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again >> through >> the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG >> expectations and that they still think that relational database access is >> an >> important matter in Smalltalk. >> > > snip > > 5) Cog compatibility. >> > > What has to be done? > > Indeed, nothing. We were not sure if FFI was working on it, but it turns out that it was. The idea is to be aware if Eliot releases a threaded VM/FFI so that we do not lock the VM (even if we have our micro-lock strategy when possible) > > >> 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. >> Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of >> this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the >> student >> did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a >> multithreaded >> envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the >> threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid >> locking >> the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today with >> FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). >> > > How is Alien better than FFI? We do not know. However, we will not spend time in Alien unless it is working out of the box and integrated in all standard VMs. > AFAIK Alien itself is not developed anymore, > parts of it will be merged with FFI. > > Ahh ok, we didn't know. Thnkas. > > Levente > > P.S.: http://www.squeaksource.com/SqueakDBX.html states that code in the > repository has MIT license, but it includes Glorp which has LGPL(S) license. > > Yes, the problem is that SqueakDBX as itself (the database driver), is MIT. Thus, the repository is MIT. Glorp is LGPL. When we started (years after SqueakDBX) with GlorpDBX, we found it easier to commit our changes to SqueakDBX repo instead of the Glorp one (because not everybody may agree with our changes). The good news is that Alan Night was considering making Glorp MIT. I cc'ed him to see if there are news. Cheers Mariano

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